KRIVCHENKO (Voronezh) / КРИВЧЕНКО (Воронеж)

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krivchenko · #1 **krivchenko** » 28 янв 2018, 20:00

My grandfather, Solomon Scheur Zalman Krivchenko, was born 15 Nov 1876. From documents found one of the possible birthplaces is Voronezh, Russia. I recently found a number of victims listed on Yad Vashem with the surname Krivchenko from Voronezh. Actually this is the only Krivchenkos I have found on Yad Vashem. Makes me think they could be related and that I might have found my grandfather's birth town. I have no idea how I might find birth or other records from Voronezh? Any suggestions? Thank you.

Мой дедушка, Соломон Шеур Залман Кривченко, родился 15 ноября 1876 года. Согласно документам, он мог родиться в Воронеже, Россия. Недавно я нашел несколько жертв, перечисленных на Яд Вашем с фамилией Кривченко из Воронежа. Кривченко из других мест на Яд Вашем нет. Думаю, что они могли быть родственниками, и что я, возможно, нашел город рождения моего дедушки. Где я могу найти документы по Воронежу?

#2 **mihail** » 28 янв 2018, 20:20

krivchenko писал(а): My grandfather, Solomon Scheur Zalman Krivchenko, was born 15 Nov 1876. From documents found one of the possible birthplaces is Voronezh, Russia. I recently found a number of victims listed on Yad Vashem with the surname Krivchenko from Voronezh. Actually this is the only Krivchenkos I have found on Yad Vashem. Makes me think they could be related and that I might have found my grandfather's birth town. I have no idea how I might find birth or other records from Voronezh? Any suggestions? Thank you.

Voronezh:

"...С 1877 года раввин Фейгин стал вести официально признанные метрические книги евреев, которые ежегодно представлялись на проверку в городскую думу. Эти метрические книги, как и предшествовавшие им «частные тетради», не сохранились. Единственным источником справочного характера остались документы «о проверке метрических книг евреев города Воронежа», имеющиеся в архивном фонде городской управы за 1897-1915 года...".

"...Since 1877, Rabbi Feigin began to conduct officially recognized Jewish metric books, which were submitted for verification to the City Duma. These metric books, like the "private notebooks" that preceded them, have not survived. The only reference content was the documents "on the verification of metric books of Jews in the city of Voronezh", a resolution in the archives of the city government for the years 1897-1915...".
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Search is possible only by other sources..And for this we need facts of the ancestor's biography.

krivchenko · #3 **krivchenko** » 28 янв 2018, 21:00

Thank you for your response. What facts of my grandfather would be useful to search with? Thank you.

#4 **oztech** » 28 янв 2018, 21:05

krivchenko писал(а): From documents found one of the possible birthplaces is Voronezh, Russia.

А что, есть и другие возможные места? Из каких документов это известно?
And what about another possible places? From what documents it is known?

#5 **mihail** » 28 янв 2018, 21:10

krivchenko писал(а):What facts of my grandfather would be useful to search with? Thank you.

Known dates and events of his life (before and after 1917). They can give a trace of some document. While the main problem is to find out the present (and not the supposed) place of birth.
Usually we recommend this (to help - google-translate): Раздел фамильных тем: о чем надо и не надо здесь писать (read there the text number 2 - "#2").
Decide, however, that you think it necessary to describe in the public space of the forum.This should be exactly your decision.

#6 **mihail** » 28 янв 2018, 21:47

krivchenko писал(а):My grandfather, Solomon Scheur Zalman Krivchenko, was born 15 Nov 1876. From documents found one of the possible birthplaces is Voronezh, Russia. I recently found a number of victims listed on Yad Vashem with the surname Krivchenko from Voronezh. Actually this is the only Krivchenkos I have found on Yad Vashem.

On Yad Vashem (rus version) - four people (1- Zhitomir,3- Voronezh).But Voronezh is not

a birthplace.Voronezh - residence before the war 1941-1945. And this is not the same thing.
Where they were born - not indicated. Maybe in Voronezh, or maybe not.

#7 **mihail** » 28 янв 2018, 22:29

Я не уверен,уместно ли будет озадачивать уважаемого А.Бейдера вопросом о изначальном ареале распространения этой фамилии у евреев.На Stephen P. Morse and Alexander Beider,скорее,более прижился вариант "Кравченко",но тут я могу ошибаться.
Так вот - возможно,именно экспертное заключение специалиста,в какой-то степени,наведет на более точное место,где поиск по 1870-ым был бы более плодотворным? У меня есть некоторые сомнения,что местом рождения в 1876-м был именно Воронеж.Впрочем,до поступления (если оно последует) сюда дополнительных сведений,версии пока строить преждевременно.

krivchenko · #8 **krivchenko** » 28 янв 2018, 22:52

Yes I m not sure of surname spelling. Could be Kravchenko too or other variant

#9 **mihail** » 29 янв 2018, 19:13

krivchenko писал(а): Yes I m not sure of surname spelling. Could be Kravchenko too or other variant

Here you tried to find something: jewishgen?

Krekenava · #10 **Krekenava** » 30 янв 2018, 00:32

Here are a few finds from Ancestry.com. The naturalization petition for this Solomon Krivchenko (DOB 1877) says he was born in Oryol but his last foreign residence was Ekaterinoslav, in today's Ukraine. Could he be your father? If the town of Orel/Oryol is of interest to you also see this thread.

Krivchenko Solomon Anc.JPG

Krivchenko Solomon Natur. Ancestry.com.jpg

Krivchenko Glafira Anc.JPG

krivchenko · #11 **krivchenko** » 30 янв 2018, 01:27

Dear Krekenava, I sent you a PM. Thank you very much.

#12 **MCB** » 03 ноя 2019, 20:38

krivchenko писал(а): ↑
28 янв 2018, 20:00
My grandfather, Solomon Scheur Zalman Krivchenko, was born 15 Nov 1876. From documents found one of the possible birthplaces is Voronezh, Russia. I recently found a number of victims listed on Yad Vashem with the surname Krivchenko from Voronezh. Actually this is the only Krivchenkos I have found on Yad Vashem. Makes me think they could be related and that I might have found my grandfather's birth town. I have no idea how I might find birth or other records from Voronezh? Any suggestions? Thank you.

Are you sure it was Voronezh and not Velizh? Krivchenok is a known Velizh Jewish surname...

mikev · #13 **mikev** » 04 ноя 2019, 18:24

FWIW, surname KrAvchenko is visible in Zhitomir since 1870s. Not KrIvchenko.
However, it is not the original source, KrAvchenkos are descendants of a soldier from places unknown who settled in Zhitomir.

#14 **anno_nin** » 05 ноя 2019, 17:25

mikev писал(а): ↑
04 ноя 2019, 18:24
FWIW, surname KrAvchenko is visible in Zhitomir since 1870s. Not KrIvchenko.
However, it is not the original source, KrAvchenkos are descendants of a soldier from places unknown who settled in Zhitomir.

Kravchenko is "professional" family name. Frequent for Ukraine. Krivchenko can be unique. -ko - is Ukrainian suffix (reduced of -kov), which can be interpreted as "son of".

Bobrovich · #15 **Bobrovich** » 27 ноя 2019, 01:47

Здравствуйте! В конце 1915 - начале 1916 года в Воронеже на Староконной площади в доме Кривченко располагалась "Трудовая Комиссия" Еврейского общества помощи жертвам войны. Это самый центр города, ныне пл. Ленина

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