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Hi there,
I'm sorry that I have to write in English, but I'm not able to speak and write Russian. We are looking for family roots and got stuck. On the mothers side, our great grandmother's family is from Proskurov (Family of Isaak Sas) but we do not find his spouse's name, plus where they came from (according to Yad vaShem records, they might be from Sharovka, south of Proskurov, if it is the same family). The daughter of Isaak Sas went to Tzeljabinsk in 1945 or 1944 where she married in 1945 and died a few years later in Odessa. Her husband remarried and her birth certificate got lost. Now, we have only her name, date of birth and her fathers name. She was burried in Odessa. Does anyone know how we could find out more about her (mothers name, place of birth, etc)? My mother in law who speaks russian called the archieve in Khmelnitsky several years ago, but they had no information about this woman (but in fact, we did not ask for her father), so maybe the family only lived in Proskurov but moved there from another place.
Then for Teplyk, has anyone information about the Mogilevski (Shrul and Beila Mogilevski) and Maly (Shrul Maly, Avraham Maly) family? Does anyone know which archieves could hold information about these places (birth and marriage or death records)?

Мы исследуем родословную.
Со стороны матери, семья нашей прабабушки происходит из Проскурова (Семья Исаака Саса), но мы не знаем имя супруги Исаака Саса, а также, откуда они родом (согласно записям Яд ваШем, есть семья с той же фамилией из Шаровки, к югу от Проскурова).
Дочь Исаака Саса уехала в Челябинск в 1945 или 1944 году, где она вышла замуж в 1945 году. Умерла несколько лет спустя в Одессе. Ее муж вступил в повторный брак, и ее свидетельство о рождении утеряно. Мы знаем ее имя, отчество и дату рождения. Она была похоронена в Одессе.
Подскажите, как мы можем узнать о ней больше (имя матери, место рождения и т.д.)?
Моя свекровь, которая говорит по-русски, несколько лет назад обратилась в архив в Хмельницком, но у них не было никакой информации об этой женщине (мы не спрашивали об ее отце). Возможно, семья жила только в Проскурове, но переехала туда из другого места
В Теплике жили семьи Могилевских (Сруль и Бейла Могилевские) и Малых (Сруль Малый, Авраам Малый)? В каких архивах может храниться информация об этих местах (записи о рождении, браке или смерти)?

Есть ли у коллег версии о фамилии SAS по-русски? Шац? Сац?

It is written like this: сас

Neora писал(а): It is written like this: сас

Can you scan and show us any document in Russian with this surname?

JSRE has both Sas and Sass. But both spellings are more common in Ukrainians than in Jews. In Proskurov, too, at least two out of 3 servicemen in WWII database aren't Jewish. So it may be a really tough search...
https://pamyat-naroda.ru/heroes/?group= ... 0%BE%D0%B2

Похоже, что без сканов документов - лучше, конечно, на русском, но, для начала, можно и на английском - не обойтись. Пока слишком много вопросов.
Исаак Сас предположительно из Проскурова или Шаровки - одна линия поисков.
Сруль и Бейла Могилевские из Теплика Винницкой области или Подольской губернии. Когда они родились - не известно?
А как понять Сруль и Абрам Малые из того же Теплика? Они братья? Потому что оба имени - мужские.

В общем, не видя документов, я пока не могу проиндексировать эту тему.

Предлагаю поискать на ancestry сведения о иммиграции или натурализации человека по имени Isaak Sas, найти место, откуда прибыл, и там уже действовать по обстановке)))).
Эвакуация в Челябинск очень мало присутствует на Ядвашем. Хотя... Каменец-Подольск!

Сарра Kaplukovich 1902 Каменец-Подольск, Украина (СССР)
Сарра Kaplukovich, девичья фамилия Сас, родилась в1902 году. Отец: Иосиф. Бактериолог. Женат / замужем: супруг Шлёма. Место жительства до войны: Каменец-Подольск, Украина (СССР). Место во время войны: Челябинск, Россия (СССР).
Источником этой информации является List of evacuated persons, List of residents who were evacuated to Chelyabinsk, prepared in 1942.

Тут отец указан - Иосиф, а не Исаак. И больше никаких носителей фамилии Сас в Челябинской эвакуации. Зато среди эвакуированных из Проскурова есть несколько человек, и есть несколько подателей анкет о погибших. Думаю, можно попытаться их найти, если у топикстартера возникнет такое желание...

В общем, пока автор думает, вношу в оглавление три фамилии - Сас, Могилевский и Малый - с авторскими привязками.

In sum, while the author thinks, I include in Index three surnames - Sas, Mogilevski and Maly - with the author's connections.

На Яд-вашем по фамиии Малый и Могилевский из Теплика есть анкеты, заполненные родственниками в 1990-х гг. Полагаю, можно попробовать связаться с потомками этих людей.

There are questionnaires by the surnames of Maly and Mogilevski from Teplik at Yad Vashem filled out by relatives in the 1990s. I Believe, you can try to contact the descendants of these people.

Могилевский(е) приписаны Черкассы Херсонской губ.
Российская империя, Одесса, перепись населения 1897 г., ГАОО, Ф. 2, о. 8, д.398
ул. Глухая, д.6/16 кв.20 убедительная просьба к интересантам: выпишите информацию из документа в эту тему (ФИО. возраст, род занятий, приписка и т.д.) для возможности индексации и поиска этих данных другими.

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Isaak Sas

https://www.ushmm.org/online/hsv/person ... nId=428890

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05 мар 2018, 13:03

but we do not find his spouse's name

https://www.ushmm.org/online/hsv/person ... nId=428892

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Есть ли у коллег версии о фамилии SAS по-русски? Шац? Сац?

Сасс

Neora писал(а): ↑

05 мар 2018, 13:03

Now, we have only her name

What was her name?

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05 мар 2018, 13:03

Hi there,
I'm sorry that I have to write in English, but I'm not able to speak and write Russian. We are looking for family roots and got stuck. On the mothers side, our great grandmother's family is from Proskurov (Family of Isaak Sas) but we do not find his spouse's name, plus where they came from (according to Yad vaShem records, they might be from Sharovka, south of Proskurov, if it is the same family). The daughter of Isaak Sas went to Tzeljabinsk in 1945 or 1944 where she married in 1945 and died a few years later in Odessa. Her husband remarried and her birth certificate got lost. Now, we have only her name, date of birth and her fathers name. She was burried in Odessa. Does anyone know how we could find out more about her (mothers name, place of birth, etc)? My mother in law who speaks russian called the archieve in Khmelnitsky several years ago, but they had no information about this woman (but in fact, we did not ask for her father), so maybe the family only lived in Proskurov but moved there from another place.
Then for Teplyk, has anyone information about the Mogilevski (Shrul and Beila Mogilevski) and Maly (Shrul Maly, Avraham Maly) family? Does anyone know which archieves could hold information about these places (birth and marriage or death records)?

Good evening, we have relatives from Teplik (Vinnitsa region) who lived there many years ago. I'm very interested in this town - I mean people who know this place and know Jews who lived there years ago, archives, families, names, lists, updates, everything related to this place. From Google I realized that this is a very small town that "everyone knows everyone" there. I'm looking for are Balakersky and Kan (Kon, maybe Kahn) families from Teplik. Maybe you know those names ? Unfortunately, I do not know a Mogilevsky family.

Neora писал(а): ↑

05 мар 2018, 13:03

Hi there,
I'm sorry that I have to write in English, but I'm not able to speak and write Russian. We are looking for family roots and got stuck. On the mothers side, our great grandmother's family is from Proskurov (Family of Isaak Sas) but we do not find his spouse's name, plus where they came from (according to Yad vaShem records, they might be from Sharovka, south of Proskurov, if it is the same family). The daughter of Isaak Sas went to Tzeljabinsk in 1945 or 1944 where she married in 1945 and died a few years later in Odessa. Her husband remarried and her birth certificate got lost. Now, we have only her name, date of birth and her fathers name. She was burried in Odessa. Does anyone know how we could find out more about her (mothers name, place of birth, etc)? My mother in law who speaks russian called the archieve in Khmelnitsky several years ago, but they had no information about this woman (but in fact, we did not ask for her father), so maybe the family only lived in Proskurov but moved there from another place.
Then for Teplyk, has anyone information about the Mogilevski (Shrul and Beila Mogilevski) and Maly (Shrul Maly, Avraham Maly) family? Does anyone know which archieves could hold information about these places (birth and marriage or death records)?

My grandfather (Ihil Beider) was from Sharovka. He submitted to Yad VaShem 109 documents regarding 109 people murdered by the Nazis from Sharovka.

I do see there someone named "Sima Sas", who was born in 1890. This is the description:
"Sima Sas was born in Scharowka, Ukraine (USSR) in 1890 to Yekhiel and Khaia. She was a housewife and married to Yitzkhak. Prior to WWII she lived in Proskurov, Ukraine (USSR). During the war she was in Proskurov, Ukraine (USSR)."

Here is the link:
https://yvng.yadvashem.org/index.html?l ... teOfBirth=

P.S. I am interested in finding out more about Sharovka. Please feel free to talk to me on Facebook or email: Eli Baskin

Hello!

There is information about two jewish people from Proskurov uezd with surname Sas on the site gwar.mil.ru dedicated to the Russian warriors in World War I.

1) Sas Volko Abramovich
https://gwar.mil.ru/heroes/chelovek_don ... 26page%3D2

2) Sas Meer Nachmanov
https://gwar.mil.ru/heroes/chelovek_don ... 26page%3D3

They are both from town Tarnoruda.

Maybe your relatives also could be from there.

There are also a lot of jewish soldiers from Teplik with surname Mogilevskiy on the site:

Mogilevskiy Shmul Nuchimovich
https://gwar.mil.ru/heroes/chelovek_gos ... 0%B0%D1%8F

Mogilevskiy Chaim Naumovich
https://gwar.mil.ru/heroes/chelovek_don ... 0%B0%D1%8F

Mogilevskiy Avraham Nuchimovich
https://gwar.mil.ru/heroes/chelovek_don ... 0%B0%D1%8F

Mogilevskiy Ayzik Boruchov
https://gwar.mil.ru/heroes/chelovek_don ... 0%B0%D1%8F

Mogilevskiy Yushka Nachimovich
https://gwar.mil.ru/heroes/chelovek_gos ... 0%B0%D1%8F

I hope it is hepful.

EliBaskin,
Also there information about Balakirskiy Chaim Avrumov from Gaysin uezd (mentioned town Teplinki but there a lot of mistakes, so it has to be Teplik) on gwar.mil.ru:
https://gwar.mil.ru/heroes/chelovek_gos ... 0%B0%D1%8F

https://gwar.mil.ru/heroes/chelovek_don ... 0%B0%D1%8F

22 y.o., engaged in meat trading.
Could he be related to your family?

EliBaskin,
I also advise you to see the information on the website jewua.info