STEIN (in USA, surname in Russia is unknown) / ШТЕЙН (в США, в России - неизвестно)

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STEIN (in USA, surname in Russia is unknown) / ШТЕЙН (в США, в России - неизвестно)

#1 Сообщение AdamLink1 » 16 май 2017, 17:09

I am trying to locate records for my Jewish ancestors, but I don't speak Ukrainian or Russian. Can someone direct me on where to start my search?

My grandfather was born in Odessa around 16 January 1882; I knew him as Louis Stein, and his father's name as Philip Israel Stein. We think his mother was Anne Rose.

My grandmother was born in in Kiev around 3 July 1886; I knew her as Eva Braunstein, and her father's name as Abraham Braunstein. We think her mother's name was Hannah. The last name may have been Bronstein.
She had two siblings, also born in the Ukraine. Her brother Louis about 1896, and her sister Ethel about 1901.

Both grandparents moved to the USA about 1905-1906.

Any assistance would be greatly appreciated.

Thank you very much for giving me the opportunity to post on this forum.

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#2 Сообщение Юлия_П » 16 май 2017, 17:25

AdamLink1 писал(а):Источник цитаты My grandfather was born in Odessa around 16 January 1882; I knew him as Louis Stein, and his father's name as Philip Israel Stein.
На сайте jewishgen.org есть поиск по базе данных Odessa birth index. Вы пробовали там искать Stein (Shtein) в Ukraine? Ни в 1881, ни в 1882 г. нет фамилии Shtein с похожим именем. Это означает, что либо в базе данных ошибка, либо Louis родился не в Одессе, либо его имя не было похоже на Louis. Очень часто эмигранты указывали местом рождения Одессу, даже если они всего лишь выезжали из страны через одесский порт.

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#3 Сообщение MOCKBA » 16 май 2017, 18:26

Юлия_П писал(а):Источник цитаты либо Louis родился не в Одессе, либо его имя не было похоже на Louis.

One more possibility is that the original surname wasn't Stein, but got simplified or changed after immigration?
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#4 Сообщение mikev » 16 май 2017, 18:30

I think the starting point is to locate the immigration documents (familysearch) if this was not done already.

Name "Louis" was quite popular among Jews who already arrived in the US, but very unusual on immigration documents, the immigrants tended to write the original name (Leiba, for example). And "Stein" indeed may be a shortening of a longer name, it would be helpful to see what it was.

If you have the US immigration documents, please post them (or link to them) here,... without them you have too little to go on, I think. :(

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#5 Сообщение AdamLink1 » 02 янв 2018, 05:52

mikev писал(а):Источник цитаты I think the starting point is to locate the immigration documents (familysearch) if this was not done already.

Name "Louis" was quite popular among Jews who already arrived in the US, but very unusual on immigration documents, the immigrants tended to write the original name (Leiba, for example). And "Stein" indeed may be a shortening of a longer name, it would be helpful to see what it was.

If you have the US immigration documents, please post them (or link to them) here,... without them you have too little to go on, I think. :(


So far I have not been able to locate his immigration documents, and there are no other relatives alive who might have them. All I have is his Certificate of Death, which states that he was born in Russia but we know he was born in the Ukraine.
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#6 Сообщение mikev » 02 янв 2018, 06:38

AdamLink1 писал(а):Источник цитаты My grandfather was born in Odessa around 16 January 1882; I knew him as Louis Stein, and his father's name as Philip Israel Stein. We think his mother was Anne Rose.

My grandmother was born in in Kiev around 3 July 1886; I knew her as Eva Braunstein, and her father's name as Abraham Braunstein. We think her mother's name was Hannah. The last name may have been Bronstein.


The first names used on the marriage certificate (1909) are Leib and Rifke. These are likely accurate.

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#7 Сообщение oztech » 02 янв 2018, 13:51

What is key surname in Russian - Штейн? Бронштейн?
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#8 Сообщение anno_nin » 02 янв 2018, 17:01

Юлия_П писал(а):Источник цитаты Это означает, что либо в базе данных ошибка, либо Louis родился не в Одессе, либо его имя не было похоже на Louis

Либо Stein - не та фамилия, которая была у него в Одессе. Эта фамилия могла появиться в Америке как редуцированная. И хорошо будет, если Штейн - начало фамилии. А если оригинальная фамилия на -штейн заканчивалась?

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#9 Сообщение AdamLink1 » 02 янв 2018, 17:58

I remember my father once telling me that my grandfather's name was something like 'Shtein' and when he came through immigration, the immigration officer wrote down Stein. But I have never seen any documents showing the spelling of what the name was. As far as Braunstein or Bronstein, I assume something similar might have occurred, but I was never told about that.

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#10 Сообщение mikev » 02 янв 2018, 18:34

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Both.

Stein -- is the surname used by Leib->Louis Stein in the US. Quite likely a reduction of ???stein.or Stein????.
Bronstein -- is the surname used by his wife Rifke->Eva. Quite likely the real one, only spelling differences.

One must find some immigration papers to be able to make further progress.
I tried yesterday -- and found more Leib(a) Stein's than I could handle, mostly Russia, but also Austria, and no signs of the right one.
I could not find his wife's papers either.

The OP should go carefully through these:


Gold Search for Leib Stein

Check this one in particular:

77 Steinberg, Leib Odessa, Russia 24 1879-1880 1904


Gold search for Rifke Braunstein


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