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#1 Сообщение momteller » 02 фев 2017, 21:39

Hello, My grandfather, Maische Staroselsky, was born in Naroditch (Narodici) , Ukraine. 1893? He then came to Chicago with his brother and sister. I read his brother's obituary recently from 50 years ago and it listed his siblings including one who stayed in Russia. It said even her married name! Esther Reidman (of course the spelling of the last name could be a little different). Her maiden name was Esther Staroselsky. Can anyone help me find the descendents of Esther Staroselsky Reidman? I don't know where to start. Thank you.

Мой дедушка Моше Старосельский из Народичей, Украина 1893? года рождения Затем он уехал в Чикаго с братом и сестрой. В манифесте его брата 50-летней давности он указал своих братьев и сестер, включая одну, оставшуюся в России. Ее зовут Эстер Рейдман (Старосельская). Помогите пожалуйста найти потомков Эстер. Не знаю с чего начать

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#2 Сообщение MOCKBA » 02 фев 2017, 22:09

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There are Reidermann's in the Yad Vashem listing for Narodichi (Народичи). It is near Khabno and there are several researchers in this group working on this period's records which are often well preserved in Kiev archives.
For the samplers, look in this thread, maybe with the assistance of Google translate. And if you know more about the family members, their years of life, occupations, and places of residence, then please do share, as it may be helpful
viewtopic.php?f=113&t=4656&p=102235&hilit=%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B4%D0%B8%D1%87%D0%B8#p102235
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#3 Сообщение Krekenava » 03 фев 2017, 05:26

Here is an example of the information you could find on Yad Vashem website the poster above mentioned:

http://yvng.yadvashem.org/index.html?la ... =narodichi

Forms for Reidermans here were filled out by their family members.
Some of the respondendts were living in Israel at the time ( 1991). That's one lead.

Another is looking for phone books for Narodichi or Kiev. May be members here can provide some clues.
And here is the result of the search for Staroselsky on this website, in its database.

searchdb_form.php
Шнейдер: Кракиново, Поневежис, Ковно, Петербург. Михельсон: Митава, Петербург. Лебедoв/Левидов: Митава, Рига, Петербург.
Кричевский: Миргород, Лохвица, Ливенгоф, Лисичанск, Бахмут, Петербург.
Лорман: Орша, Витебск, Петербург. Давидов, Богельман, Янкелевич: Петербург. Дун: Лохвица. Трауберг: Одесса, Петербург.

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#4 Сообщение momteller » 04 фев 2017, 18:40

Thank you so much. I'll let you know if I find anything. I also found a Reydman which is even closer.

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#5 Сообщение mikev » 04 фев 2017, 19:21

One extra tool is to check this very forum for references to Reidman -- and in fact there are three: Balta, Odessa, and Tetiev. It is the last one that may be helpful.
There are at least two early 19th century censuses from Tetiev, plus what is mentioned at the link, there may be more. (The reason I know is because my family is from Tetiev, but I was not interested after 1832 when they moved out, but I sure have the earlier ones.). Geographically reasonably close and if Reidman is a monogenetic family, it is possible that Tetiev is the origin.

Good luck!

LOL. Ist ref at the link is to mine.

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#6 Сообщение momteller » 15 фев 2017, 15:44

Thanks so much. Will follow up in a few weeks when I have more time. I will be in touch!

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#7 Сообщение anno_nin » 23 мар 2017, 13:02

momteller писал(а):Источник цитаты I will be in touch!

Separated Your questions and answers in the family theme.

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#8 Сообщение MOCKBA » 11 окт 2017, 08:23

I spotted one Reidman family (of this specific spelling) in the early 1900s vital records for Khabno, where a few families were from Narodichi. But in the Khabno family, the wife's name was Toyba (Taube) rather than Ester. And husband David's link with Narodichi isn't clear because at the time, he was an agricultural colonist in Bobrik colony, and therefore his official registration no longer reflected his original hometown. Let me know if interested. The birth records have 4 or 5 names and birth dates of children.
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#9 Сообщение momteller » 12 окт 2017, 22:40

Thank you for thinking of me. The trouble is I am NOT related by blood to a Reidman. My great Aunt, Esther Staroselskaya, my grandfather's sister, married a Mr. Reidman (only mention is in my grandfather's obituary). She was the only one who stayed in Ukraine. I found several in Yad Vashem...a labor list...but I do not know how to find her husband's name. Then maybe I could find any descendents still living (doubtful but you never know). I don't really know how to find anything about this relative. They mention her in the 1960's in the obit but I don't even know if she was alive. Any other ideas? susan

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#10 Сообщение MOCKBA » 13 окт 2017, 18:19

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I spotted this Khabno area family in the 1897 Census as well, and there was an Esther (as cited), but most clearly not "yours" because her age was already 48 in 1897. She was a daughter of Srul (Yisroel) and she was born in Khabno
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#11 Сообщение IgorS » 03 ноя 2017, 18:25

There is a birth record from Kiev in 1910, Jan 27.
Father Shevel-Bentzion (also known as Movsha) Avramov Staroselsky from Chernobyl and mother Beyla Duvidovna - daughter Zlata
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#12 Сообщение myustara » 01 дек 2017, 04:09

Hello, nice to meet you all, I am new here.
My family name is Staraselski and I was born in France.
I am looking for the roots of my family before they escaped to Egypt and then France.
I am not sure about the spelling of my family name and if Staraselski and Staroselski/Staroselsky may be the same or different family.
As far as we know, my russian ancestor was named Abraham Staraselski, born in approx 1856 in Ekaterinoslav? and died in Cairo, Egypt in 1902.
Should I start a new topic or shall we discuss here I do not know but your help and comments would be very appreciated. I do not read nor speak Russian.
Apparently my family has from long ago a strong connection with France. We may have distant cousins in Argentina, Canada and the US.
I have some pictures too.
Regards
Staraselski (Stara)
Same as Staroselsky
Старосельский

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#13 Сообщение MOCKBA » 01 дек 2017, 09:26

myustara писал(а):Источник цитаты Staraselski and Staroselski/Staroselsky may be the same or different family.

You can check "canonic" Russian spelling here:
https://stevemorse.org/phonetics/beider ... hive=djsre
It should be OK to discuss it here, as it is exactly the same spelling, even though it may be a different family. Please explain where you already looked and what did you find, so others won't repeat the same steps as you've already done.
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#14 Сообщение mikev » 01 дек 2017, 09:37

Quick check on Yad Vashem DB: 16 records for Staroselski in Dnepropetrovsk; of course these are much later records but likely related and tracing the roots of these Staroselski's may lead to the roots of Abraham.

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#15 Сообщение Elena G. » 01 дек 2017, 14:39

myustara писал(а):Источник цитаты Hello, nice to meet you all, I am new here.
I am not sure about the spelling of my family name and if Staraselski and Staroselski/Staroselsky may be the same or different family.


The surname according to the rules of Russian spelling should be Staroselski (Старосельский), meaning 'from the old township'. As the second syllable in the surname is unstressed the surname was pronounced as Staraselski and might appear in such format in records. So, wherever you are searching, it is worth checking both spellings. The ending can be -sky,-skij, or -skiy as well.
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#16 Сообщение momteller » 01 дек 2017, 15:50

Hello All...
Thank you for your comments on my grandfather's name. I will follow up on all the suggestions. I do not know any family in France but it is a common name I've been told. Spelling doesn't matter. I know my great grandfather did not end up in
Cairo, however. They lived in Naroditch (Narodici), Ukraine near Chernobyl. No evidence of any Staroselski were to be found in the Zhitomir archives (I paid a researcher) from Naroditch before 1900 (records not available afterwards because of a fire). BUT..I found all of my great grandmother's family (Schadchen) which means the Staroselsky ggf moved there from somewhere else. One gravestone (of his children)
says Avraham as his name and one says Jacob. Very confusing. Thank you all.

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#17 Сообщение myustara » 03 дек 2017, 15:57

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The surname according to the rules of Russian spelling should be Staroselski (Старосельский), meaning 'from the old township'. As the second syllable in the surname is unstressed the surname was pronounced as Staraselski and might appear in such format in records. So, wherever you are searching, it is worth checking both spellings. The ending can be -sky,-skij, or -skiy as well.


Thank you very much for your clarifications. Very useful to know for my research. I also hear when I was a child that it meant the old village so the family rumor was right!
Staraselski (Stara)
Same as Staroselsky
Старосельский

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#18 Сообщение myustara » 03 дек 2017, 16:51

momteller писал(а):Источник цитаты Hello All...
Thank you for your comments on my grandfather's name. I will follow up on all the suggestions. I do not know any family in France but it is a common name I've been told. Spelling doesn't matter. I know my great grandfather did not end up in
Cairo, however. They lived in Naroditch (Narodici), Ukraine near Chernobyl. No evidence of any Staroselski were to be found in the Zhitomir archives (I paid a researcher) from Naroditch before 1900 (records not available afterwards because of a fire). BUT..I found all of my great grandmother's family (Schadchen) which means the Staroselsky ggf moved there from somewhere else. One gravestone (of his children)
says Avraham as his name and one says Jacob. Very confusing. Thank you all.


Thank you. Ok good to know it is a common name as it always sounded so uncommon to me when in France and so mysterious...

I will sum up later all what I found about my family so far if it may help for my investigation about my roots.
Staraselski (Stara)
Same as Staroselsky
Старосельский

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#19 Сообщение myustara » 03 дек 2017, 17:57

So let me summarize what I know so far about my family.
I was born on 1979 in France (5th generation).
My father named Staraselski is born in 1955 in France (4th generation).
His father, french, was born in 1925 in France too (3rd generation).
Next father is named Jacob (renamed Jacques in France) Staraselski and was born in 1885 in Cairo, Egypt but died in France in 1969 (2nd generation).
First father we go so far is Abraham Staraselski, born in 1856 in Ekaterinoslav in Russia (1st generation of my tree) and died in Cairo in 1902.

Abraham was the brother of 6 children. 4 sons and 2 daughters. (Bernard/Berrlhe (m) ; Mirrlhe (w) ; Bhourrad (m) died in Russia at 16y ; Magne (w) married Shore ; Mheritz Goldenberg). All born in Russia I believe, around Ekaterinoslav, todays Dnipro.
He married a woman from Georgia, named Catherine Gibbson/or Lesson/or Elson. They probably met in Russia and then moved Palestine and then to Egypt together. She had a british passport or they had some kind of papers which help them to settle quite comfortably in Egypt apparently.
They had a tailor shop in Cairo (I have a picture of him in front of his shop in his late 30s I presume). They also apparently had a good life in Odessa before going to Egypt with some connections with the monarchy.
I also have a nice family picture taken in Cairo with whom I know the face of my great grand father, Jacob.

Jacob (b. 1885) was the brother of 6 children.
Itzik Gold Jean (m)
Lazare (m) married Grunberg > I found a Lazare in the http://yvng.yadvashem.org/ database, born in 1884, so one year before my ancestor, but the database says was born to Moisey and not Abraham so may be it is another person.
Rosa (w) married Koenig
Mainke (m) died in 1917
Leon (m) married Silberstein
Jacob married a French woman and she was not jewish so that's why I am not today.
His brother Leon was also running the family business in Cairo as a tailor. I found his name in a directory of Egypt from 1913.

Leon had 7 children and 2 of them are the most famous of our family tales.
One was a famous photographer in Paris, named Joe Stara, for Joseph Staraselski. He won some good money at the Monte Carlo casino but lost everything later.
The other one was Albert Staraselski, born in Cairo in 1903 and died in Paris in 1980. He was a famous journalist in Egypt.
From an early age, he wrote for the French-language Jewish press in Egypt, often using his nickname, Stara, as a pseudonym. In the 1920s and 1930s, he was considered one of the most colorful of Egypt’s Jewish journalists. In 1923, he went to France, where he joined the Zionist movement and became the secretary and right-hand man to Zeʾev Jabotinsky (1880–1940), the founder of Revisionist Zionism.


I have some late cousins in France but not so close family and I am very curious about Abraham and his wife Catherine....

There is also a street named Stara smowhere in Tel aviv...
Thats all I know so far
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Same as Staroselsky
Старосельский

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#20 Сообщение myustara » 03 дек 2017, 18:14

I also found this on internet about the Staroselsky
In Russian so I rely only on Google Translator...

http://rosgenea.ru/?a=18&r=4&s=%D1%F2%E ... 1%EA%E8%E9
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Same as Staroselsky
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